I totally agree--I have been told by people who like to use them that they provide extra protection, but based on observation, they seem to only add an extra storage place for standing water AND often make it more difficult to hide the box well.


You're preachin' to the choir, here!

----- Original Message -----
From: "dondif02762"
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 7:06:38 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [LbNA] Why, Why, Why?






OK people, I know this has been discusses several times in the past and on several boards but I just have to vent......

What is the rationale for using plastic bags OUTSIDE of boxes? They serve no useful purpose; they get dirty and torn; they do not provide any extra protection.

If some new theory or practice has come up in L'boxing for their use would someone please explain it to me.

Phewwww; I feel better................




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I use a black bag on the outside to help hide the box; light clear boxes are
more visible than a black bag, even if torn. Inside the bag is a Lock &
Lock or something similar with the logbook double-bagged.



To me, it is absolutely pointless to rely on an outer bag for protection;
you might as well leave the box open to the elements.



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From: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com [mailto:letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of dondif02762
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 7:07 PM
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [LbNA] Why, Why, Why?





OK people, I know this has been discusses several times in the past and on
several boards but I just have to vent......

What is the rationale for using plastic bags OUTSIDE of boxes? They serve no
useful purpose; they get dirty and torn; they do not provide any extra
protection.

If some new theory or practice has come up in L'boxing for their use would
someone please explain it to me.

Phewwww; I feel better................





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Amen!


Thunder Cobra
MTCobra
East Central Illinois







On Nov 21, 2009, at 6:11 PM, ButterflyPR@comcast.net wrote:

> I totally agree--I have been told by people who like to use them that they provide extra protection, but based on observation, they seem to only add an extra storage place for standing water AND often make it more difficult to hide the box well.
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> You're preachin' to the choir, here!
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "dondif02762"
> To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 7:06:38 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: [LbNA] Why, Why, Why?
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> OK people, I know this has been discusses several times in the past and on several boards but I just have to vent......
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> What is the rationale for using plastic bags OUTSIDE of boxes? They serve no useful purpose; they get dirty and torn; they do not provide any extra protection.
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> If some new theory or practice has come up in L'boxing for their use would someone please explain it to me.
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> Phewwww; I feel better................
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I usually find them 'protecting' inferior 'Glad' boxes because they can't hold up on their own.

Double bagging on the -inside- is the better solution.

sewsewbizzy

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "dondif02762" wrote:
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> OK people, I know this has been discusses several times in the past and on several boards but I just have to vent......
>
> What is the rationale for using plastic bags OUTSIDE of boxes? They serve no useful purpose; they get dirty and torn; they do not provide any extra protection.
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> If some new theory or practice has come up in L'boxing for their use would someone please explain it to me.
>
> Phewwww; I feel better................
>

When I first started boxing, I did put them in baggies.  I learned from experience that it's not a good idea.  They are great for ripping and holding water.  Perhaps inexperienced boxers will have to learn the hard way.

Enjoy!
donutz716

--- On Sun, 11/22/09, sewsowbizzy wrote:

From: sewsowbizzy
Subject: [LbNA] Re: Why, Why, Why?
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 22, 2009, 8:05 AM







 









I usually find them 'protecting' inferior 'Glad' boxes because they can't hold up on their own.



Double bagging on the -inside- is the better solution.



sewsewbizzy



--- In letterbox-usa@ yahoogroups. com, "dondif02762" wrote:

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> OK people, I know this has been discusses several times in the past and on several boards but I just have to vent......

>

> What is the rationale for using plastic bags OUTSIDE of boxes? They serve no useful purpose; they get dirty and torn; they do not provide any extra protection.

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> If some new theory or practice has come up in L'boxing for their use would someone please explain it to me.

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> Phewwww; I feel better...... ......... .

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I have been boxing for a few years and DO put bags on the outside of my boxes. I carry extra bags with me in case I find a box full of water. After I dry it the best I can, I put everything back and put a bag on the outside. It is my experience that, as long as it is closed by the finder, it keeps water out. Furthermore, I don't think this is a topic for debate. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. If I choose to use an extra bag and I don't, so what. It does not change the big picture of LB'ing.

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, donutz716 wrote:
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> When I first started boxing, I did put them in baggies.  I learned from experience that it's not a good idea.  They are great for ripping and holding water.  Perhaps inexperienced boxers will have to learn the hard way.
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> Enjoy!
> donutz716
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> --- On Sun, 11/22/09, sewsowbizzy wrote:
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> Subject: [LbNA] Re: Why, Why, Why?
> To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
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I have never - one single time, found a baggie on the outside of a box that
was intact and/or dry.
I also carry extra baggies and papertowels and a rag for cleaning out boxes
that are wet inside.
And what is this list if it's not a podium for debate??? That's where the
best ideas are born.
If it becomes uncivil...then it's not a debate - it's an argument. And
that's another can of worms.

zorket

On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 10:03 AM, shirl wrote:

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> boxes. I carry extra bags with me in case I find a box full of water. After
> I dry it the best I can, I put everything back and put a bag on the outside.
> It is my experience that, as long as it is closed by the finder, it keeps
> water out. Furthermore, I don't think this is a topic for debate. Everyone
> is entitled to their own opinion. If I choose to use an extra bag and I
> don't, so what. It does not change the big picture of LB'ing.
>
> --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com ,
> donutz716 wrote:
> >
> > When I first started boxing, I did put them in baggies. I learned from
> experience that it's not a good idea. They are great for ripping and
> holding water. Perhaps inexperienced boxers will have to learn the hard
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Key words here: as long as it is closed by the finder.

(And as long as no little critters with claws comes along.)

Otherwise, fine!

Thunder Cobra
MTCobra
East Central Illinois







On Nov 22, 2009, at 9:03 AM, shirl wrote:

> I have been boxing for a few years and DO put bags on the outside of my boxes. I carry extra bags with me in case I find a box full of water. After I dry it the best I can, I put everything back and put a bag on the outside. It is my experience that, as long as it is closed by the finder, it keeps water out. Furthermore, I don't think this is a topic for debate. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. If I choose to use an extra bag and I don't, so what. It does not change the big picture of LB'ing.
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> --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, donutz716 wrote:
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> > --- On Sun, 11/22/09, sewsowbizzy wrote:
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And as long as there aren't sticks or twigs that rip the baggie...

On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 9:09 AM, MTCobra wrote:

> Key words here: as long as it is closed by the finder.
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> MTCobra
> East Central Illinois
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> > I have been boxing for a few years and DO put bags on the outside of my
> boxes. I carry extra bags with me in case I find a box full of water. After
> I dry it the best I can, I put everything back and put a bag on the outside.
> It is my experience that, as long as it is closed by the finder, it keeps
> water out. Furthermore, I don't think this is a topic for debate. Everyone
> is entitled to their own opinion. If I choose to use an extra bag and I
> don't, so what. It does not change the big picture of LB'ing.
> >
> > --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, donutz716 wrote:
> > >
> > > When I first started boxing, I did put them in baggies. I learned
> from experience that it's not a good idea. They are great for ripping and
> holding water. Perhaps inexperienced boxers will have to learn the hard
> way.
> > >
> > > Enjoy!
> > > donutz716
> > >
> > > --- On Sun, 11/22/09, sewsowbizzy wrote:
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> > > From: sewsowbizzy
> > > Subject: [LbNA] Re: Why, Why, Why?
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> and on several boards but I just have to vent......
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> serve no useful purpose; they get dirty and torn; they do not provide any
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Or rocks, or boulders, or the sun's rays don't break down the plastic.....

--- On Sun, 11/22/09, Barefoot Lucy wrote:

From: Barefoot Lucy
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Re: Why, Why, Why?
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 22, 2009, 11:23 AM

And as long as there aren't sticks or twigs that rip the baggie...

On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 9:09 AM, MTCobra wrote:

> Key words here:  “as long as it is closed by the finder.”
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> Otherwise, fine!
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> MTCobra
> East Central Illinois
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> On Nov 22, 2009, at 9:03 AM, shirl wrote:
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> > I have been boxing for a few years and DO put bags on the outside of my
> boxes. I carry extra bags with me in case I find a box full of water. After
> I dry it the best I can, I put everything back and put a bag on the outside.
> It is my experience that, as long as it is closed by the finder, it keeps
> water out. Furthermore, I don't think this is a topic for debate. Everyone
> is entitled to their own opinion. If I choose to use an extra bag and I
> don't, so what. It does not change the big picture of LB'ing.
> >
> > --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, donutz716 wrote:
> > >
> > > When I first started boxing, I did put them in baggies.  I learned
> from experience that it's not a good idea.  They are great for ripping and
> holding water.  Perhaps inexperienced boxers will have to learn the hard
> way.
> > >
> > > Enjoy!
> > > donutz716
> > >
> > > --- On Sun, 11/22/09, sewsowbizzy wrote:
> > >
> > > From: sewsowbizzy
> > > Subject: [LbNA] Re: Why, Why, Why?
> > > To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Sunday, November 22, 2009, 8:05 AM
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> > > --- In letterbox-usa@ yahoogroups. com, "dondif02762"
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> and on several boards but I just have to vent......
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> serve no useful purpose; they get dirty and torn; they do not provide any
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--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "dondif02762" wrote:
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> OK people, I know this has been discusses several times in the past and on several boards but I just have to vent......
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> What is the rationale for using plastic bags OUTSIDE of boxes? They serve no useful purpose; they get dirty and torn; they do not provide any extra protection.

NO USEFUL PURPOSE!!!!! Contrary to this statement it is obvious that they do serve a useful purpose. Think of them as a test. Once holes get in the bags (that could be as soon as 5 minutes after the last finder wrapped the baggy around the box) Then the seal of the box gets the test. The baggie will keep moisture all around the box so then the seal of the box (be it a crummy box or a lock&lock) will be tested to make sure it stays water tight.Once the seal is bypassed then the quality of the interior baggies get tested.

Please when finding another person's plant do not place a baggie on the exterior. If you want to use baggies on your exterior (your letterbox not you personally) then that is your business.

Don

Don Wrote:

Please when finding another person's plant do not place a baggie on the
exterior. If you want to use baggies on your exterior (your letterbox not
you personally) then that is your business.

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Don,

I think you are being unnecessarily restrictive - if they want to apply
baggies to their personal exterior, I don't think we should limit them
there. Just hopefully they will camo them first so they aren't see-through.

Lucy


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How is debate possible without different opinions?




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From: shirl
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, November 22, 2009 10:03:09 AM
Subject: [LbNA] Re: Why, Why, Why?


Furthermore, I don't think this is a topic for debate. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.




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When I planted my first box, I wanted to do something special, so I painted a design on the outside of my plastic container with acrylic paint. I didn't expect the paint job to last very long, but it was fun doing it. I tested the container to make sure it was water tight - weighted it down submerged in water for several days with some paper inside. The paper stayed dry. So, I planted it naked with my logbook and stamp inside and it stayed dry. The container got a bit scratched up, but nothing major. So one day I thought maybe if I put a baggie around the container it wouldn't get quite as scratched up. I had read that it wasn't a good thing to put a bag on the outside and the reasons, but thought I'd try it anyway. BAD MOVE! After a week I checked on the box, and there was condensation in the bag and the paint was peeling off the container in places. The inside of the container was still nice and dry, just as it had been before. So, I left the
bag off. In the meantime, I had heeded the wisdom of those more experience than I had and planted several other boxes without bags outside. They are all alive and well even with the rain we've had this year.
I hope that if someone finds a box of mine that is wet, that they will dry off the inside and bag the contents with a dry bag inside - not outside - and let me know so that I can take care of the rest myself.